Episode 60: Stakeholder Analysis and the Art of Listening with Melissa Sherman

On this episode of Quality Time with MoreSteam, Melissa Sherman joins the show. Melissa is vice chair of the Michigan Lean Consortium. She is also an industrial engineer, longtime Lean practitioner, teacher, and consultant. Melissa spent years with utility companies before moving into consulting work that often brings Lean together with ISO standards. As you’ll hear, she has the ability to make continuous improvement feel practical and human.

Melissa and host Dan Swartwout talk about what it looks like to lead improvement in a regulated environment like utilities. They also discuss tips for winning over naysayers and why curiosity and listening beat a complicated toolkit every time. But there is one tool that Melissa consistently uses. That’s stakeholder analysis. Melissa explains why stakeholder analysis is so important and, perhaps more importantly, how to actually conduct one.

As a teacher and coach, Melissa uses everyday examples like loading a dishwasher or maintaining a car to help people see Lean ideas in their own lives. And because a change that doesn’t stick isn’t really a change, Melissa stresses the importance of setting calendar reminders and checking in with the team.

Of course, the conversation with Melissa is informative. But Dan really appreciates how Melissa shares expert advice with so much positivity. Also, you may never hear a podcast episode that applies so many Lean principles to standup comedy. An expert Lean practitioner, positivity, and standup comedy? That sounds like the right pull system for a great podcast.

In this episode, you will hear about:

0:23 - The Michigan Lean Consortium

3:43 - From Industrial Engineer to Lean Practitioner

4:55 - Continuous Improvement work in the utilities space

6:58 - Lean principles and ISO standards

8:32 - Melissa first step in a new improvement effort

10:27 - Dealing with people when the technical fix looks solid

15:02 - The importance of Stakeholder Analysis

16:19 - Conducting a Stakeholder Analysis

19:46 - Making change stick when the project is over

23:04 - Watching people see how Lean ideas connect to what they actually do

27:45 - Creating and empowering problem solvers

31:15 - Winning over naysayers

35:18 - How Lean is evolving

38:42 - Using everyday examples to teach Lean concepts

42:52 - Practical tips for leading improvement or change work

45:12 - What’s next for the Michigan Lean Consortium

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Dan Swartwout

HostMoreSteam

Dan Swartwout is the host of Quality Time with MoreSteam. A lifelong Central Ohio resident, Dan is a double Buckeye. He earned both a BA and a law degree from The Ohio State University. Before joining MoreSteam, Dan had a long career as a host, comedian, and master of ceremonies. For 17 years, Dan was the studio audience host for the Ohio Lottery game show Cash Explosion. Dan was also the host of CBuzz, which was a collaboration between the Columbus Chamber of Commerce, WWCD 92.9, and the Columbus Dispatch. On CBuzz, Dan interviewed some of the most prominent entrepreneurs in Central Ohio. From 2002-2020, Dan toured the country as a standup comedian. Tracks from his comedy CD have been played over 5,000 times on Sirius/XM satellite radio. Now, Dan brings his experience and enthusiasm to Quality Time with MoreSteam -- it's business and fun, together.

Melissa Sherman

Vice ChairMichigan Lean Consortium

Melissa brings over 27 years of deep operational expertise in the utility industry, spanning both Investor-Owned Utilities and Electric Cooperatives. Her career has centered on Electric and Gas Distribution Engineering, business support for Pumped Storage and River Hydro facilities, Renewable Generation, Online Scheduling for Fossil Generation, and large-scale Enterprise Change initiatives. A proven Lean practitioner and Change Management leader, Melissa has successfully implemented lean methodologies across complex environments — driving scheduling optimization, automation projects, warehouse redesigns, and value stream transformations. She excels at evaluating existing business processes, leveraging data for root cause analysis, and designing sustainable, repeatable improvements that deliver measurable results aligned with company breakthrough objectives. Passionate about developing people and organizations, Melissa is dedicated to guiding teams through their continuous improvement and change management journeys. She thrives on breaking down complex methodologies into practical, relatable terms — creating those powerful “ah-ha” moments that empower others to tackle significant challenges with confidence. Her coaching style combines technical rigor with genuine enthusiasm for helping professionals grow. Since 2008, Melissa has also served as a higher education instructor, teaching both in-seat and online courses in Management, Entrepreneurship, and Industrial Engineering. She frequently connects classroom concepts to real-world utility applications, bridging theory and industry practice.

(Picture and Bio from Melissa’s LinkedIn profile)


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